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 When did we stop being a Republic?
bblake00  [Team Member]
4/24/2005 3:26:13 PM
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TheRedHorseman  [Team Member]
4/24/2005 3:26:46 PM
when FDR turned us towards the way of socialism during the depression
out-a-ammo  [Team Member]
4/24/2005 3:27:23 PM

The end of the Civil War.

TheFreepster  [Member]
4/24/2005 3:30:48 PM

Originally Posted By out-a-ammo:
The end of the Civil War.




+1
bblake00  [Team Member]
4/24/2005 3:43:12 PM
I would have thought it was closer to FDR's trem(s) in office.



I wish we could go back to being one.
RiffRandall  [Member]
4/24/2005 3:43:20 PM

Originally Posted By TheFreepster:

Originally Posted By out-a-ammo:
The end of the Civil War.




+1



+2
alaman  [Member]
4/24/2005 3:46:49 PM
Mr Lincoln's War of Northern Aggression to enforce the tariff on the Southern States
sharky30  [Team Member]
4/24/2005 3:49:11 PM

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
when FDR turned us towards the way of socialism during the depression



and LBJ's furtherance of that socialist crap
RealFastV6  [Team Member]
4/24/2005 3:54:07 PM
Amendment XVII
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate, the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, that the legislature of any state may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

theliberating1  [Member]
4/24/2005 3:54:16 PM

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
when FDR turned us towards the way of socialism during the depression



What would this place be like if he hadn't? Would you and I even be sitting at our desks in front of computers?
QuantumPion  [Team Member]
4/24/2005 4:00:05 PM

Originally Posted By RealFastV6:
Amendment XVII
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate, the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, that the legislature of any state may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.




+1. When Senators started being elected, instead of appointed by governors.
Happyshooter  [Member]
4/24/2005 4:00:47 PM
+3


Originally Posted By RiffRandall:

Originally Posted By TheFreepster:

Originally Posted By out-a-ammo:
The end of the Civil War.




+1



+2

TheRedHorseman  [Team Member]
4/24/2005 4:02:55 PM

Originally Posted By theliberating1:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
when FDR turned us towards the way of socialism during the depression



What would this place be like if he hadn't? Would you and I even be sitting at our desks in front of computers?




I would have more money by not having to support "underpriveledged" types and not having to pay for someone elses retirement.
Cato556  [Member]
4/24/2005 4:08:42 PM
I think we started straying from the type of Constitutional Republic originally intended after the Civil War. However, it was not until FDR that they really abandoned the idea of a Federal government that was truly constrained by the constitution.
TomJefferson  [Team Member]
4/24/2005 4:44:27 PM
Well I often think it was when we allowed the tiny ass little states in New England to have two senators even though you could practically throw a damn rock across them. I'd have to say then we never were.

We're paying the price now for the liberal strength is there and look at the number of senators to the land mass.

BTW, the errosion of state power started with George Washington and the Whisky Rebellion and simply climaxed in the Civil War. After the Civil War the states just rollover like lap dogs to the fed. That could be good or bad depending on the issue.

Congrats to our LEOs for being able to carry in the no carry states. I hope someday soon the rest of us can.

Tj
NonConformist  [Member]
4/24/2005 4:45:20 PM

Originally Posted By Cato556:
I think we started straying from the type of Constitutional Republic originally intended after the Civil War. However, it was not until FDR that they really abandoned the idea of a Federal government that was truly constrained by the constitution.



Big Frickin' +1.
Nuckingfutz  [Member]
4/24/2005 4:47:54 PM

Originally Posted By Happyshooter:
+3


Originally Posted By RiffRandall:

Originally Posted By TheFreepster:

Originally Posted By out-a-ammo:
The end of the Civil War.




+1



+2





+4
theliberating1  [Member]
4/24/2005 4:51:51 PM

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By theliberating1:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
when FDR turned us towards the way of socialism during the depression



What would this place be like if he hadn't? Would you and I even be sitting at our desks in front of computers?




I would have more money by not having to support "underpriveledged" types and not having to pay for someone elses retirement.



or this country would have gone into complete chaos... but it's all about how one wants to spin it.
thedoctors308  [Member]
4/24/2005 4:53:46 PM

Originally Posted By alaman:
Mr Lincoln's War of Northern Aggression to enforce the tariff on the Southern States



Yep...another bitter Reb.
still mad that you have to harvest your own cotton?

ETA: Yea, it's all on FDR. His fault, 110%
KBaker  [Team Member]
4/24/2005 5:01:09 PM

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By Cato556:
I think we started straying from the type of Constitutional Republic originally intended after the Civil War. However, it was not until FDR that they really abandoned the idea of a Federal government that was truly constrained by the constitution.



Big Frickin' +1.

Me, too.

The tipping point was right around 1910-15. In short order the Congress passed and the States ratified the 16th, 17th, and 18th Amendments (1913, 1913, and 1919, respectively), not to mention the Harrison Narcotics Act of 1914, massively increasing the influence of Federal government on the populace, and the populace on the Federal government (the latter was supposed to be limited by our Republican form of gov't.) Then FDR picked up those new reins in 1932 and headed us off into a direction our Constitution was never meant to allow, and we let him because the populace was afraid of the Depression, and the people in charge were afraid of the spread of Communism.

What a rat-fuck.
KEA  [Member]
4/24/2005 5:18:27 PM
"It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has
been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1,
Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and
insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint
Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause
dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official
capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and
Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal
Government exists today in name only."

United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International
Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International
Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now
operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers.
With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the
receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the
United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an
established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This
act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office
of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International
Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part:
"The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing
the United States."


Not my words, but those of an Ohio U.S. Representative
sum-rifle  [Team Member]
4/24/2005 5:23:04 PM
We still live in a Constitutional Republic.
It aint perfect, but it's pretty fucking good!
alloy6061  [Member]
4/24/2005 5:33:01 PM

Originally Posted By Nuckingfutz:

Originally Posted By Happyshooter:
+3


Originally Posted By RiffRandall:

Originally Posted By TheFreepster:

Originally Posted By out-a-ammo:
The end of the Civil War.




+1



+2





+4



+5 ............
ElCamino  [Team Member]
4/24/2005 5:46:13 PM

Originally Posted By KEA:
"It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has
been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1,
Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and
insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint
Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause
dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official
capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and
Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal
Government exists today in name only."

United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International
Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International
Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now
operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers.
With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the
receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the
United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an
established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This
act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office
of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International
Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part:
"The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing
the United States."


Not my words, but those of an Ohio U.S. Representative



It wasn't James Traficant, was it?

WTF sort of tinfoil beanie garbage is that?

ETA: BWAHAHA! I just googled that, and it WAS actually Traficant. What a fuckin' weirdo. Did I call it or what!
mildbill39  [Member]
4/24/2005 6:45:19 PM
Although most would say Civil War I think it was the income tax. It gave the Federal Government direct access to the citizens pockets, so that the Congress could spend money without going back to their home states and forcing the state governments to collect the intended per capita tax.

Now the Feds control the money flow back to the states and the state governments get money to spend that they don't heve to raise, so they no longer contest illegal extension of Federal power.

The States have allowed the Feds to enlarge the interstate commerce and general welfare powers to include anything.

I do not want a level income tax, a national sales tax or any other tax other than the cap tax that was intended by the Founders. Imagine this; Congress and Senators having to go back to their home states every year and hand the state governments the bill. Then the state has to figure out how to squeeze it out of the People.

Yes sir re bob, government won't be nearly so much fun, and the States would take back power just like in a republic.

Of course our politicians have spent 200 years rigging this thing to their benefit and they will resist.

Regards,
Mild Bill








go3  [Member]
4/24/2005 7:03:05 PM
Civil War started it. Everything after 1910 has simply moved us further along.
Submariner  [Member]
4/24/2005 7:03:35 PM
Double tap.
Submariner  [Member]
4/24/2005 7:07:31 PM

Originally Posted By out-a-ammo:
The end of the Civil War.



+100000

Never forget the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
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