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 pronunciation of Molon Labe (need link to sound file of correct pronunciation) HELP!
EternalVigilance  [Member]
10/8/2005 4:34:56 PM EST
(mo-lone lah-veh)


Ok, I am ignorant. I just want to make sure that I am reading this right.


mo (like "mo" from the simpsons?)
lone (like "lone" gunman? )
lah (do re me fa so "la" te doh?)
veh ("they" but with a "v" instead?)



If anybody has a link to a sound file with the correct pronunciation I would really appreciate it.



Thanks for helping me overcome my ignorance .
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MrClean4Hire  [Team Member]
10/8/2005 4:35:18 PM EST
mo lon la veh
zer04evr  [Member]
10/8/2005 4:35:41 PM EST
you got it right.
TravisJ1  [Member]
10/8/2005 4:36:36 PM EST
I dont mean to sound stupid, but what does that mean?

And is it Latin? Or what?




Thanks
Travis
DOW  [Team Member]
10/8/2005 4:36:39 PM EST
Ah, but which syllable is stressed in each word?
MrClean4Hire  [Team Member]
10/8/2005 4:38:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By TravisJ1:
I dont mean to sound stupid, but what does that mean?

And is it Latin? Or what?




Thanks
Travis



come and get them
just-mike  [Member]
10/8/2005 4:38:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By DOW:
Ah, but which syllable is stressed in each word?


you put the em-PHA-sis on the wrong syl-LA-ble.
EternalVigilance  [Member]
10/8/2005 4:40:27 PM EST
mo-LONE lah-VEH


????
TravisJ1  [Member]
10/8/2005 4:42:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:

Originally Posted By TravisJ1:
I dont mean to sound stupid, but what does that mean?

And is it Latin? Or what?




Thanks
Travis



come and get them



Awesome! I like that, and now I get it! Thanks


Travis
EternalVigilance  [Member]
10/8/2005 4:44:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:

Originally Posted By TravisJ1:
I dont mean to sound stupid, but what does that mean?

And is it Latin? Or what?




Thanks
Travis



come and get them












Molon labe
(mo-lone lah-veh)

Two little words. With these two words, two concepts were verbalized that have lived for nearly two and a half Millennia. They signify and characterize both the heart of the Warrior, and the indomitable spirit of mankind. From the ancient Greek, they are the reply of the Spartan General-King Leonidas to Xerxes, the Persian Emperor who came with 600,000 of the fiercest fighting troops in the world to conquer and invade little Greece, then the center and birthplace of civilization as we know it.

When Xerxes offered to spare the lives of Leonidas, his 300 personal bodyguards and a handful of Thebans and others who volunteered to defend their country, if they would lay down their arms, Leonidas shouted these two words back.

Molon Labe! (mo-lone lah-veh)

They mean, "Come and get them!" They live on today as the most notable quote in military history. And so began the classic example of courage and valor in its dismissal of overwhelming superiority of numbers, wherein the heart and spirit of brave men overcame insuperable odds. Today, there lies a plaque dedicated to these heroes all at the site. It reads:



"Go tell the Spartans, travelers passing by,
that here, obedient to their laws we lie."


We have adopted this defiant utterance as a battle cry in our war against oppression because it says so clearly and simply towards those who would take our arms.

It signifies our determination to not strike the first blow, but also to not stand mute and allow our loved ones, and all that we believe in and stand for, to be trampled by men who would deprive us of our God-given or "natural" if you will, rights to suit their own ends.





I forgot where I got the above info from, but I am sure that whoever's it is wouldn't mind me sharing it here.
EternalVigilance  [Member]
10/8/2005 4:45:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By TravisJ1:
I dont mean to sound stupid, but what does that mean?

And is it Latin? Or what?




Thanks
Travis





Its greek.


ETA: ancient greek
EternalVigilance  [Member]
10/8/2005 4:47:38 PM EST
I really wish that I could find a sound byte of the correct pronunciation.


If I ever have to shout it from a roof-top somewhere I want to make sure that I am saying it right.
ScrubJ  [Team Member]
10/8/2005 4:47:58 PM EST
The story www.molonlabe.com/
EternalVigilance  [Member]
10/8/2005 4:50:28 PM EST
also, if anyone knows where I can get a bumper-sticker with Molon Labe on it I would be thankful for the info.


packnru  [Member]
10/8/2005 4:51:36 PM EST
Is it Mah-loon lah-vay?
EternalVigilance  [Member]
10/8/2005 4:53:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By packnru:
Is it Mah-loon lah-vay?





we really need a wav file or something...
Got_Guns  [Team Member]
10/8/2005 4:55:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:
also, if anyone knows where I can get a bumper-sticker with Molon Labe on it I would be thankful for the info.





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Tweak  [Team Member]
10/8/2005 5:00:19 PM EST
www.thefiringline.com/HCI/molon_labe.htm
mo-lone lah-veh

www.translatum.gr/forum/index.php/topic,532.msg1686.html
PBIR  [Team Member]
10/8/2005 5:04:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:
also, if anyone knows where I can get a bumper-sticker with Molon Labe on it I would be thankful for the info.





thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176942&highlight=molon+labe
EternalVigilance  [Member]
10/9/2005 8:22:42 AM EST
Thanks for all of the great info guys.



So no wav file links or anything to the correct pronunciation of Molon Labe?
wolfman97  [Member]
10/9/2005 8:27:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:
Molon labe
(mo-lone lah-veh)

Two little words. With these two words, two concepts were verbalized that have lived for nearly two and a half Millennia. They signify and characterize both the heart of the Warrior, and the indomitable spirit of mankind. From the ancient Greek, they are the reply of the Spartan General-King Leonidas to Xerxes, the Persian Emperor who came with 600,000 of the fiercest fighting troops in the world to conquer and invade little Greece, then the center and birthplace of civilization as we know it.

When Xerxes offered to spare the lives of Leonidas, his 300 personal bodyguards and a handful of Thebans and others who volunteered to defend their country, if they would lay down their arms, Leonidas shouted these two words back.

Molon Labe! (mo-lone lah-veh)

They mean, "Come and get them!" They live on today as the most notable quote in military history. And so began the classic example of courage and valor in its dismissal of overwhelming superiority of numbers, wherein the heart and spirit of brave men overcame insuperable odds. Today, there lies a plaque dedicated to these heroes all at the site. It reads:



"Go tell the Spartans, travelers passing by,
that here, obedient to their laws we lie."


We have adopted this defiant utterance as a battle cry in our war against oppression because it says so clearly and simply towards those who would take our arms.

It signifies our determination to not strike the first blow, but also to not stand mute and allow our loved ones, and all that we believe in and stand for, to be trampled by men who would deprive us of our God-given or "natural" if you will, rights to suit their own ends.




Uuuuuh, I hate to bring this up, but didn't those Spartan guys have a mutual agreement where they would take care of each other when the women weren't around? I don't mean cooking dinner or doing the laundry, either.

Are all these guys who use this phrase now in some gay fraternity or something?

ETA: That historical bit above almost certainly is inaccurate in some respects. I doubt that any ancient army could have supported 600,000 men in the field. There just weren't enough canned beans around at the time to make it feasible.
Tweak  [Team Member]
10/9/2005 8:54:00 AM EST
every fucking thread that mentions Spartans someone "just has to mention" that. Welcome to ancient Greece folks, there is a reason anal sex is called Greek. Get the fuck over it already. Why don't you just decide that democracy sucks too since we got from the Greeks?

I'll let you in on a little secret, if you were raised from birth that sex with men was normal and healthy, you'd be biting a pillow right now. Same went for the Greeks and a lot of other societies.
wolfman97  [Member]
10/9/2005 8:56:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tweak:
every fucking thread that mentions Spartans someone "just has to mention" that. Welcome to ancient Greece folks, there is a reason anal sex is called Greek. Get the fuck over it already. Why don't you just decide that democracy sucks too since we got from the Greeks?

I'll let you in on a little secret, if you were raised from birth that sex with men was normal and healthy, you'd be biting a pillow right now. Same went for the Greeks and a lot of other societies.



We got democracy from the Athenians, not the Spartans. Bite your own pillow. I will move to Athens, instead, myself.
Tannim  [Member]
10/9/2005 8:57:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

ETA: That historical bit above almost certainly is inaccurate in some respects. I doubt that any ancient army could have supported 600,000 men in the field. There just weren't enough canned beans around at the time to make it feasible.



This is why large armies were only gathered in times of war. When moving to a battle, they were like a plague of locusts. Devouring all the food they could find. I doubt very much Xerxes cared if his conquered lands suffered.

jkstexas2001  [Team Member]
10/9/2005 9:02:00 AM EST
No one knows the proper pronunciation; it is classical Greek, which no one living speaks. They may try to say it using the pronunciation of modern Greek, but that is at best an approximation. We had two folks from Greece in my Koine Greek class (both failed). They tended to give the various vowels more or less the same sound, from what I could determine, while in Koine Greek, there is much more differentiation among vowel sounds -- according to the professor -- but how the heck could he know, since there were no tape recorders in the first century? You also see this in Latin pronunciation - if you talk to someone from the Vatican, he will speak Latin with Italian pronunciation, while others pronounce Latin words differently.
wolfman97  [Member]
10/9/2005 9:03:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tannim:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

ETA: That historical bit above almost certainly is inaccurate in some respects. I doubt that any ancient army could have supported 600,000 men in the field. There just weren't enough canned beans around at the time to make it feasible.



This is why large armies were only gathered in times of war. When moving to a battle, they were like a plague of locusts. Devouring all the food they could find. I doubt very much Xerxes cared if his conquered lands suffered.




It doesn't matter if you are foraging. That's a tremendous number of people to keep in the field and live off the land. Napoleon couldn't field anything close to those numbers until he came up with canned food.
Tweak  [Team Member]
10/9/2005 9:04:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
We got democracy from the Athenians, not the Spartans.



Did I say it was from the Spartans? Learn to read.
wolfman97  [Member]
10/9/2005 9:10:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tweak:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
We got democracy from the Athenians, not the Spartans.



Did I say it was from the Spartans? Learn to read.



It is the Spartans who were gay. But it was nice of you to try to dodge the original point.
Tweak  [Team Member]
10/9/2005 9:25:41 AM EST
nice of you to miss the entire point, Greeks (Including Athens) were queer, not just the Spartans.
wolfman97  [Member]
10/9/2005 10:00:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tweak:
nice of you to miss the entire point, Greeks (Including Athens) were queer, not just the Spartans.



Yeah, but the Athenians didn't make it mandatory.

You know, we got our heritage from the Athenians so we are democratic and primarily heterosexual. If we had gotten our heritage from the Spartans we would be gay Nazis.

But go ahead and try to confuse two much different cultures, by calling them both "Greeks".
EternalVigilance  [Member]
10/9/2005 11:02:54 AM EST
You are missing the point. You are like those people who claim that the constitution doesn't mean anything because it was created by "rich" white men, some of whom owned slaves. Its like saying that because someone who goes to church breaks a commandment that God must not exist. It has nothing to do with the philosophical arguments concerned. The fact that Einstein couldn't tie his shoes is not something that can be used to argue against his mathematical proofs or scientific theories. Its called an argument ad hominem, and it is a logical fallacy.


I don't give a fuck if they were a bunch of butt-pounding faggots, the principle and courage behind the story is what counts. When someone says "I won't kill or imprison you if you give up your arms", a man with courage and conviction would say "Come and get them."


Quit hijacking my fucking thread .
EternalVigilance  [Member]
10/9/2005 11:05:11 AM EST
It also illustrates the fact that disarmament is not anything new, and that people have stood up against it in the past, and so should we.
EternalVigilance  [Member]
10/9/2005 11:06:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
No one knows the proper pronunciation; it is classical Greek, which no one living speaks. They may try to say it using the pronunciation of modern Greek, but that is at best an approximation. We had two folks from Greece in my Koine Greek class (both failed). They tended to give the various vowels more or less the same sound, from what I could determine, while in Koine Greek, there is much more differentiation among vowel sounds -- according to the professor -- but how the heck could he know, since there were no tape recorders in the first century? You also see this in Latin pronunciation - if you talk to someone from the Vatican, he will speak Latin with Italian pronunciation, while others pronounce Latin words differently.






Thank you for the information. Glad that someone could actually help out with my question instead of trying to fuck up my thread with bullshit.

anyway, I appreciate the info
wolfman97  [Member]
10/9/2005 11:12:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:
You are missing the point. You are like those people who claim that the constitution doesn't mean anything because it was created by "rich" white men, some of whom owned slaves. Its like saying that because someone who goes to church breaks a commandment that God must not exist. It has nothing to do with the philosophical arguments concerned. The fact that Einstein couldn't tie his shoes is not something that can be used to argue against his mathematical proofs or scientific theories. Its called an argument ad hominem, and it is a logical fallacy.


I don't give a fuck if they were a bunch of butt-pounding faggots, the principle and courage behind the story is what counts. When someone says "I won't kill or imprison you if you give up your arms", a man with courage and conviction would say "Come and get them."


Quit hijacking my fucking thread .



They could also say "Fuck off, pigs! Give me liberty or give me death!" Everybody would understand that and know how to pronounce it.

I can just see the reaction to Molon Labe.

"WTF is he talking about? What did he say?"

"I don't know, he must be one of them queer fuckers. Shoot him."
EternalVigilance  [Member]
10/9/2005 11:19:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:
You are missing the point. You are like those people who claim that the constitution doesn't mean anything because it was created by "rich" white men, some of whom owned slaves. Its like saying that because someone who goes to church breaks a commandment that God must not exist. It has nothing to do with the philosophical arguments concerned. The fact that Einstein couldn't tie his shoes is not something that can be used to argue against his mathematical proofs or scientific theories. Its called an argument ad hominem, and it is a logical fallacy.


I don't give a fuck if they were a bunch of butt-pounding faggots, the principle and courage behind the story is what counts. When someone says "I won't kill or imprison you if you give up your arms", a man with courage and conviction would say "Come and get them."


Quit hijacking my fucking thread .



They could also say "Fuck off, pigs! Give me liberty or give me death!" Everybody would understand that and know how to pronounce it.

I can just see the reaction to Molon Labe.

"WTF is he talking about? What did he say?"

"I don't know, he must be one of them queer fuckers. Shoot him."





I have to agree that Patrick Henry is the man.
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