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Only_Hits_Count  [Member]
5/28/2008 5:18:33 PM
MINNEAPOLIS — Muslim cashiers at some local Target stores who object to ringing up products that contain pork are being shifted to other positions, the national retailer said Saturday.

Some Muslim cashiers had declined to scan products such as bacon because doing so would conflict with their religious beliefs. They would ask other cashiers to ring up such purchases, or some customers scanned the items themselves.

Minneapolis-based Target Corp. has offered the cashiers the option of wearing gloves, shifting to other positions or transferring to other stores.

"We are confident that this is a reasonable solution for our guests and team members," Target spokeswoman Paula Thornton-Greear said in a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press on Saturday.

Islam teaches that eating pork is forbidden, and some Muslims feel selling or handling pork is also forbidden because it would make them complicit in the sins of others.

Greear said the situation was a local problem only.

"It is not an issue in most of our stores in the Twin Cities," she said in separate comments via e-mail. "There is also no indication that this is an issue in the Minnesota market overall or nationwide."


..."In one dispute, some Muslim cab drivers who serve Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport refuse to take passengers who are carrying alcohol. The Metropolitan Airports Commission is expected to vote in April on a proposal that would hand out 30-day license suspensions to cabbies who refuse service for any reason...."

cont @ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259374,00.html
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Deej86  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:21:04 PM
I don't want to offend the Muslim members here(and I know we have at least one, who I have met personally):

But why work at a store where you KNOW they sell pork/items with pork byproduct(Jello is an example) and that you'd have to work with it?
racer934  [Member]
5/28/2008 5:21:27 PM
Change duties?

You're fired.

If you want to be a cashier and not handle pork, work at a Muslim deli.
MrClean4Hire  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:22:09 PM
I'd rather they didn't touch my meat anyways.
justinwb  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:22:47 PM
This is getting ridiculous.........they are winning.
10mmFan  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:23:15 PM
I dropped 'em when they booted the Salvation Army. Fuck 'em.
red65  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:23:24 PM
I say GET THE FUCK OUT.
FZ1Steve  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:26:13 PM
What is that about the Salvation army?
Deej86  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:26:38 PM

Originally Posted By 10mmFan:
I dropped 'em when they booted the Salvation Army. Fuck 'em.
Oh snap. I was just about to say you were wrong and to check snopes. I guess it's true.

I never go to Target anyways. Walmart is closer, cheaper, and is easier to get in and out of.
jt325i  [Member]
5/28/2008 5:30:01 PM
You guys are so intolerant! Get with the program! You have to accept these people and their demands into YOUR society. It's time for you to CONFORM! Just a matter of time till comments such as these get you charged with a hate crime or a racism charge and thrown in jail. Yeah, that's the America we are headed for in the future.
Keith_J  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:30:50 PM
Note to self...must buy more pork.

For the record, there is this new cut of pork the store has been carrying...a SLAB of pork called short rib brisket. That and a fire. Heaven.
doubleclaw  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:34:24 PM
I am so sick of this politically "correct" bullshit.

MC_Man  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:35:02 PM

Originally Posted By Deej86:

Originally Posted By 10mmFan:
I dropped 'em when they booted the Salvation Army. Fuck 'em.
Oh snap. I was just about to say you were wrong and to check snopes. I guess it's true.

I never go to Target anyways. Walmart is closer, cheaper, and is easier to get in and out of.


Unless, of course, they want to check your receipt. Then it's ON!!!
Zaphod  [Life Member]
5/28/2008 5:35:17 PM

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I'd rather they didn't touch my meat anyways.


+1.
America-first  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:37:32 PM
"Islam teaches that eating pork is forbidded, and some muslims feel selling or handling pork is also forbidden because it would make them complicit in the sins of others."

But they don't have a fucking problem working in, and collecting a salary from, a store that sells pork.

Why do we have to kiss their hypocrite asses?
Admiral_Crunch  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:37:43 PM
That's like someone with a religious aversion to keyboards getting a job as a PC repair tech. I think you might want to consider a different line of work, chief.
fsk1290  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:41:47 PM
Where's Donald Trump when you need him?
DK-Prof  [Moderator]
5/28/2008 5:41:54 PM

Originally Posted By America-first:
"Islam teaches that eating pork is forbidded, and some muslims feel selling or handling pork is also forbidden because it would make them complicit in the sins of others."

But they don't have a fucking problem working in, and collecting a salary from, a store that sells pork.

Why do we have to kiss their hypocrite asses?


Which is why most muslims (even at other stores in the area) don't have a problem with this.

It's just a small number of them that are acting like assholes.
America-first  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:44:49 PM
It's not that they believe actually touching a SEALED PACKAGE of pork of pork or bacon would make them complicit in the sins of others; it's their way of enforcing control over us; and making us bow down to their religion.

If they were worried about being complicit in passing along sin; they wouldn't work in a store that sells freaking pork or any other meat that wasn't halal.
NavyDoc1  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:45:31 PM
I wonder what would have happened if they had some Jewish people who didn't want to sell pork or a devout Catholic who wouldn't seel meat on Fridays....












Deej86  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:45:38 PM

Originally Posted By MC_Man:

Originally Posted By Deej86:

Originally Posted By 10mmFan:
I dropped 'em when they booted the Salvation Army. Fuck 'em.
Oh snap. I was just about to say you were wrong and to check snopes. I guess it's true.

I never go to Target anyways. Walmart is closer, cheaper, and is easier to get in and out of.


Unless, of course, they want to check your receipt. Then it's ON!!!

Sunday was the first time I EVER have had someone check my receipt. I personally don't care for it, but I didn't cause any ruckus.
Only_Hits_Count  [Member]
5/28/2008 5:46:19 PM

Originally Posted By jt325i:
You guys are so intolerant! Get with the program! You have to accept these people and their demands into YOUR society. It's time for you to CONFORM! Just a matter of time till comments such as these get you charged with a hate crime or a racism charge and thrown in jail. Yeah, that's the America we are headed for in the future.


That might be applicable, except that to my people, the pig is sacred and much honored. Don't disrespect my feast offering.



(on a side note- in big cities there are often stores that sell live chickens for home 'processing' for muslim and other communities)
just useless trivia more then anything else.
Bob1984  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:50:29 PM
They might do better to find another job. When I worked at a pizza restaurant, a few of the delivery drivers were Muslim. They'd deliver pizzas containing pork products all the time.

Only thing was that they took extra care to not come in direct physical contact with the pizza. Non-Muslims would handle the preparation and cooking of the pizzas; it wasn't really the job of the drivers to do that anyways.

All the Muslim employees in the restaurant were drivers, so their religious-based preferences were easy enough to accommodate. When we had Muslim customers, we used a separate set of tools (knives, pizza cutters, flippers etc) for preparing their pizzas upon request.

Ironically enough, we'd occasionally have Jewish customers who made similar requests with regards to pork products on their pizzas. So it was very possible to have the same set of tools being used to prepare a pizza for a Muslim as for a Jew. Naturally, nobody would advertise that.



osprey21  [Life Member]
5/28/2008 5:53:03 PM

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By America-first:
"Islam teaches that eating pork is forbidded, and some muslims feel selling or handling pork is also forbidden because it would make them complicit in the sins of others."

But they don't have a fucking problem working in, and collecting a salary from, a store that sells pork.

Why do we have to kiss their hypocrite asses?


Which is why most muslims (even at other stores in the area) don't have a problem with this.

It's just a small number of them that are acting like assholes.

AND getting the most recognition.
America-first  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:53:58 PM

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By America-first:
"Islam teaches that eating pork is forbidded, and some muslims feel selling or handling pork is also forbidden because it would make them complicit in the sins of others."

But they don't have a fucking problem working in, and collecting a salary from, a store that sells pork.

Why do we have to kiss their hypocrite asses?


Which is why most muslims (even at other stores in the area) don't have a problem with this.

It's just a small number of them that are acting like assholes.


Yup; it's more about activism than religion.

Years ago I had a traditionally dressed Saudi client who I had to take out to a business luncheon in Manhattan.

The only place that could meet his dietary needs was Ratners Kosher Restaurant.

He enjoyed it quite a bit and we had a very successful meeting there.
134thSIGNAL  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:55:10 PM
AGAIN, only in MINNE*UCKINGSOTA could they get away with this crap. We cater to those idiots ALL the time, and I don't mean Muslims in general just the EXTREMISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
America-first  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:55:36 PM

Originally Posted By Bob1984:
They might do better to find another job. When I worked at a pizza restaurant, a few of the delivery drivers were Muslim. They'd deliver pizzas containing pork products all the time.

Only thing was that they took extra care to not come in direct physical contact with the pizza. Non-Muslims would handle the preparation and cooking of the pizzas; it wasn't really the job of the drivers to do that anyways.

All the Muslim employees in the restaurant were drivers, so their religious-based preferences were easy enough to accommodate. When we had Muslim customers, we used a separate set of tools (knives, pizza cutters, flippers etc) for preparing their pizzas upon request.

Ironically enough, we'd occasionally have Jewish customers who made similar requests with regards to pork products on their pizzas. So it was very possible to have the same set of tools being used to prepare a pizza for a Muslim as for a Jew. Naturally, nobody would advertise that.





And there's nothing wrong with accomodating people who are prepared to be reasonable themselves.
FREEFALLE7  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:57:35 PM
How about they leave our country
gobbledog  [Member]
5/28/2008 5:58:27 PM
What happens if I want to buy hotdogs?

What happens if I want to buy Hebrew National hotdogs?

Pork Chops? Bacon? Matza? Beer?

Or anything else they decided that they shouldn't have to handle?

If I get a job at a shipping company and I'm expected to lift up to 50 lbs, I then decide I shouldn't be made to do so. I'm not fulfilling the requirements of the job. Fire my ass.

Just like these fuck heads. Fire their ass all the way back to their stinking cesspool country.

NineLivez  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 5:58:39 PM
People in this country eat pork. If you don't like it I would be willing to bet, somewhere on this planet, is a country where they don't. I could be wrong though
Only_Hits_Count  [Member]
5/28/2008 6:00:10 PM
supporting notes;


Roman historian Tacitus (1st century CE) in Germania [in ch. 45] says about the Germans that

They worship the Mother of the Gods, and wear, as an emblem of this cult, the device of a wild boar, which stands them in stead of armor or human protection, and gives the worshiper a sense of security even among his enemies. They seldom use weapons of iron, but clubs very often.



and In Europe;

Norse

The boar's-head standard is among the gifts bestowed by the Danish king upon the hero Beowulf for his having slain the ogre, Grendel.

In Saxo's History of the Danes the order of the battle of Bravalla is described, and Woden or Odin's device of a boar's head [hamalt fylking] is said to refer to the swine-head military formation referred to in the Code of Manu [ancient Indian social code] a " terrible column with wedge head which could cleave the stoutest line."

The valkyries, the Norse dakinis, served the warriors of Valhalla meat from the boar named Saehrimnir. The divine chef, Andhrimnir, prepared a stew of it in the cauldron called Eldhrimnir. The beast magically came back to life again before the next meal.
That's right- a magic pig feeds the warriors of valhalla.

At Yule, the northern European winter solstice festival, the head of a roast swine with an apple in its jaws, is the highlight of the meal. Yule is still celebrated more than Christmas in Norway.
RiffRandall  [Member]
5/28/2008 6:01:43 PM

Originally Posted By Bob1984:

When we had Muslim customers, we used a separate set of tools (knives, pizza cutters, flippers etc) for preparing their pizzas upon request.

Ironically enough, we'd occasionally have Jewish customers who made similar requests with regards to pork products on their pizzas. So it was very possible to have the same set of tools being used to prepare a pizza for a Muslim as for a Jew. Naturally, nobody would advertise that.


If they were that much of a stickler re having non pork contaminated tools used what kind of pizza did they buy? Cheese & veggie or what? Any hamburger or other beef would be a no no with cheese if they kept strict kosher IIRC (meat & dairy products mixing )
Bob1984  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 6:03:39 PM

Originally Posted By RiffRandall:

Originally Posted By Bob1984:

When we had Muslim customers, we used a separate set of tools (knives, pizza cutters, flippers etc) for preparing their pizzas upon request.

Ironically enough, we'd occasionally have Jewish customers who made similar requests with regards to pork products on their pizzas. So it was very possible to have the same set of tools being used to prepare a pizza for a Muslim as for a Jew. Naturally, nobody would advertise that.


If they were that much of a stickler re having non pork contaminated tools used what kind of pizza did they buy? Cheese & veggie or what? Any hamburger or other beef would be a no no with cheese if they kept strict kosher IIRC (meat & dairy products mixing )


Yes, they'd generally buy cheese or veggie pizzas. That was the easiest way for them to stay Kosher.
captaincha0s  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 6:09:55 PM
don't expect any large retail seller to have a sack. they will give in out of fear that these cunts would get them selves some human rights group to sue the fuck out of them for millions just because they have to touch the sausage. If it were my call I would fire them in a heartbeat for not performing duties expected of an employee. Why the fuck did they hire dot head abdul jabbar anyway?
patriot73  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 6:12:38 PM

Originally Posted By racer934:
Change duties?

You're fired.

If you want to be a cashier and not handle pork, work at a Muslim deli.


+1. This shit is getting old.
Bob1984  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 6:13:41 PM

Originally Posted By captaincha0s:
don't expect any large retail seller to have a sack. they will give in out of fear that these cunts would get them selves some human rights group to sue the fuck out of them for millions just because they have to touch the sausage. If it were my call I would fire them in a heartbeat for not performing duties expected of an employee. Why the fuck did they hire dot head abdul jabbar anyway?


Yeah, this kind of stuff is probably best handled during the interview - the interviewers could ask, up front, if there is anything that would prevent the interviewee from performing their job.

Perhaps put "job requires handling pork products" on the job application ? That way, that requirement will be something all applicants see before they even apply.
patriot73  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 6:15:06 PM

Originally Posted By NineLivez:
People in this country eat pork. If you don't like it I would be willing to bet, somewhere on this planet, is a country where they don't. I could be wrong though


Yes, Muslim Countries.

Eating Pork.....a No No

Strapping explosives to retarded women and sending them into public to blow themselves up......game on!
itsARanchrifle  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 6:19:32 PM
Enough already.
nightstalker  [Team Member]
5/28/2008 6:22:15 PM
I guess Target has decided to handle them with kid's gloves.....
PaDanby  [Member]
5/29/2008 1:27:24 AM

Originally Posted By America-first:
It's not that they believe actually touching a SEALED PACKAGE of pork of pork or bacon selling convenience items on Sundays would make them complicit in the sins of others; it's their way of enforcing control over us; and making us bow down to their religion.

If they were worried about being complicit in passing along sin; they wouldn't work in a store that sells freaking pork or any other meat that wasn't halal was open on Sundays.


Fixed it for you.
Swindle1984  [Team Member]
5/29/2008 1:29:56 AM
Since islam doesn't forbid HANDLING pork, merely eating it, I suggest those cashiers remove the sand from their manginas and get back to fucking work.
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