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SkagSig40  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 3:48:54 AM
My Dan Wesson Valor came with 2 Checkmate 8 round mags. They work 100% in the gun and it has never had a failure. I want to buy some extra mags and I'm wondering if I should stick with the Checkmate ones or if there is something even better for my Valor. Thanks for any input!
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The_Watcher  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 6:31:54 AM
Originally Posted By SkagSig40:
My Dan Wesson Valor came with 2 Checkmate 8 round mags. They work 100% in the gun and it has never had a failure. I want to buy some extra mags and I'm wondering if I should stick with the Checkmate ones or if there is something even better for my Valor. Thanks for any input!


I rely on them, there is an excellent magazine review here. Reading that article, coupled with your experience with the checkmates, i believe you will be buying more.
BozemanMT  [Member]
11/23/2011 8:53:53 AM
hell no

my checkmate DW mags don't even run in the gun.

gun works fine with GOOD magazines.
CyberIntel  [Member]
11/23/2011 8:57:01 AM
I doubt it, isn;t Checkmate the same shitty company that made the crappy M9 mags that give so many problems in Beretta's? Wy would dan Wesson use them?
boricua9mm  [Member]
11/23/2011 9:06:30 AM

Originally Posted By CyberIntel:
I doubt it, isn;t Checkmate the same shitty company that made the crappy M9 mags that give so many problems in Beretta's? Wy would dan Wesson use them?

Yes, that's the same company, but they also happen to be the same company that makes the only viable, current production USGI magazine for the M14...and they run flawlessly.

I don't care for their 1911 mags all that much, and prefer a Wilson 47D with a Wolff extra power spring or the ETM mag. I think the Checkmate 1911 mags are "Meh" quality.
The_Watcher  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 10:26:30 AM
Originally Posted By BozemanMT:
hell no

my checkmate DW mags don't even run in the gun.

gun works fine with GOOD magazines.


Wow, what did dan wesson say when you informed them your pistol was not running?
The_Watcher  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 10:27:22 AM
Originally Posted By CyberIntel:
I doubt it, isn;t Checkmate the same shitty company that made the crappy M9 mags that give so many problems in Beretta's? Wy would dan Wesson use them?


Same reason colt uses them.
418cwc  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 10:47:45 AM
The M9 Check-mate mag failure had to do with the phosphorous finish with the extremely fine sand in Iraq. AFAIK, Check-mate has since corrected the problem.

As far as 1911 mags, Check-mate mags are used for certain Ed Brown models and the Springfield Armory TRP/Professional/other models.

I've never heard of any problems with them and they seem to be one of the most reliable mags out there.

Rocco123  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 11:03:20 AM
Feeding has always been 100% for me with my Checkmate/DW mags. The hold open is what I always had issues with. The mags that came with my newer VBOB work fine. The mags that came with my Valor are hit or miss. Hold open really isn't that big of a deal while at the range, but I won't carry them.

I believe they had a run of mags that had slightly weaker springs. Couple with tighter-fitting slide catch, and I think that's what has caused my issues. I'll be ordering some new springs soon.
Gravity3694  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 11:19:13 AM
I bought a DW Valor in Sept and have had no issues with 47Ds and the Checkmate mags that came with it. Both have fed and locked back reliably in the 500 rounds I've put through my Valor.
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 2:40:26 PM
Wow. Pretty wide range of opinions. It seem the Wilson 47D's are highly reguarded as the best? Does anyone know who has the best prices on them and also the DW Checkmate mags?
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 3:04:38 PM
Originally Posted By The_Watcher:
Originally Posted By SkagSig40:
My Dan Wesson Valor came with 2 Checkmate 8 round mags. They work 100% in the gun and it has never had a failure. I want to buy some extra mags and I'm wondering if I should stick with the Checkmate ones or if there is something even better for my Valor. Thanks for any input!


I rely on them, there is an excellent magazine review here. Reading that article, coupled with your experience with the checkmates, i believe you will be buying more.


After reading that report I now have doubts about the 47D's and how they work. So the Hybrid Colt is the same Checkmate mag the DW uses? It looks like Checkmate has many kinds of 1911 mags.
IbuildedIT  [Member]
11/23/2011 3:47:12 PM
stick with what works for your gun. if it's those mags then go for it.

my gun likes the cmc shooting star mags alot. does pretty well with the power mags too
bsnare  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 4:05:46 PM
Checkmate mags with hybrid feed lips are highly regarded on the dedicated 1911 forums from what I have seen. As others have said they make colts factory mags. Contrary to popular belief on this site you don't have to spend $25 - $30 per mag to get good 1911 mags. My personal experience with checkmate mags - Bought 10 of them when i purchased my Kimber pro carry 2, they have been flawless except for 1. The one i have trouble with for some reason the slide locks back after i fire the first round from the mag, all other rounds from that mag fire properly. I have it labeled for a range only mag. I will be buying more.

ETA grammar.
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 4:15:23 PM
Originally Posted By bsnare:
Checkmate mags with hybrid feed lips are highly regarded on the dedicated 1911 forums from what I have seen. As others have said they make colts factory mags. Contrary to popular belief on this site you don't have to spend $25 - $30 per mag to get good 1911 mags. My personal experience with checkmate mags - Bought 10 of them when i purchased my Kimber pro carry 2, they have been flawless except for 1. The one i have trouble with for some reason the slide locks back after i fire the first round from the mag, all other rounds are fire properly. I have it labeled for a range only mag. I will be buying more.


Where do you get yours at? What is a decent price? Thanks!
bsnare  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 4:24:25 PM
Got mine from HERE they aren't marked checkmate but they are. He's out of stock on some, but your not gonna find a better price unless you put in a bulk order form checkmate yourself. I went with the 8 round hybrid mags.
Sheldon  [Member]
11/23/2011 9:33:11 PM
Don't know if the Joe's Mags are Checkmate or not, and I have posted pics of them, but they do seem to work well and I am planning on getting 10 more of the 8 round stainless with basepads. At $13 each they seem a bargain.
niteghost  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 9:49:19 PM
What about Tripp Research mags, anyone use them? I was thinkg of getting one for me Taurus 1911 9mm sence the factory mag suck balls.
America-first  [Team Member]
11/24/2011 7:55:13 AM
Originally Posted By SkagSig40:

My Dan Wessoy. They work 100% in the gun and it has never had a failure. I want to buy some extra mags and I'm wondering if I should stick with the

Checkmate ones or if there is something even better for my Valor. Thanks for any input!



There's your answer; can't do much better than 100% reliability.

In my gun, Chip McCormick Power Mags, which are recommended by Hilton Yam, and have run 3000 rounds through my gun without a stoppage or failure of any kind, are the answer.

Everyone has the their favorite "best" magazine; they post it here and someone else talks it down.

Let your own 1911 tell you which magazine it likes.

F_Double_O  [Member]
11/24/2011 7:48:38 PM
checkmate also makes kimber factory mags. kimber kimpro mags are the same as the checkmate hybrid mags. the upper end checkmates are actually very good. the lower level ones can be iffy.
WILSON  [Site Staff]
11/24/2011 8:07:05 PM
Originally Posted By SkagSig40:
My Dan Wesson Valor came with 2 Checkmate 8 round mags. They work 100% in the gun and it has never had a failure. I want to buy some extra mags and I'm wondering if I should stick with the Checkmate ones or if there is something even better for my Valor. Thanks for any input!


I've had the best luck with Wilson 47 & 47D, McCormick, and Tripp's. I have two SS 8-rounders I bought from Baer that run absolutely perfect in everything I've ever tried them in, but they're unmarked and I'm not sure who actually made them.

I trust 47d's the most and grab a couple whenever I see 'em show up for $14 ~ $16 in the EE.

JMO


pjomalley  [Team Member]
11/24/2011 9:18:03 PM
tripp research my trp did not run well on the supplied factory mags but it does well on the tripp mags?
the-fly  [Team Member]
11/25/2011 4:13:55 AM
Originally Posted By niteghost:
What about Tripp Research mags, anyone use them? I was thinkg of getting one for me Taurus 1911 9mm sence the factory mag suck balls.


I use the Tripp's in my STI 1911 9mm. Expensive mags, but they just WORK. Never had a problem yet that was mag related, and I've got about 4000 rounds through my STI.
John1125  [Member]
11/25/2011 7:24:21 PM
Have run these many thousands of rounds through a DW and an older Kimber Gold Match .

I have 10 of the colt mags which are checkmate hybrid 7 rounders and 10 of the ones from Joe's Mag Mania , and had no problems what so ever. I am sold on them.

Now that is not to say that you will not have to replace the springs once in a while for total reliability , which is where I am .

Carry mags - change springs in spring............ heard that at a class a while back ......

If you want a good quality mag at a good price these are it , when I can buy 10 mags to my door for less than $120 and run them for thousands of rounds flawlessly - to me that is what a call good mags .

Kilo Romeo
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
11/26/2011 3:31:59 AM
Just checked DW's website and they want $32 for one factory Checkmate mag!
Bradd_D  [Member]
11/26/2011 3:41:56 AM
I buy the Colt/Checkmate 7 rd mags from Midway whenever they are on sale for $15.99.
silversport  [Member]
11/26/2011 8:20:28 AM
my CobraMags work in my Taurus PT1911AL (as well as all my 1911 pattern pistols :D)...but then my Taurus branded mags work well too (although the springs feel weak)...
Bill
ggreen  [Member]
11/26/2011 9:40:44 AM
I've had my Valor for about two weeks now and I have ran the two mags that came with it along with Wilson, Chip M, with 0 failures at all.
John1125  [Member]
11/26/2011 9:45:10 AM
Originally Posted By SkagSig40:
Just checked DW's website and they want $32 for one factory Checkmate mag!


Check this out ...........http://www.joes1911magmania.net/shop

Look at items - 10103 and 10108 these are the same mags as DW sells with their guns and the same as Colt and others have mentioned Kimber they are just unmarked , I know .

I like the 7 rounders myself , although I have a couple of 8's with a DW that have worked flawless.
gunnut284  [Team Member]
11/26/2011 12:04:06 PM
Sorry if I'm behind the times but I was under the impression than Kimber mags were made by Chip McCormick and Colt mags were made by Metalform. Perhaps that has changed or I was misinformed, can anyone fill me in?
Bradd_D  [Member]
11/26/2011 12:57:26 PM
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
Sorry if I'm behind the times but I was under the impression than Kimber mags were made by Chip McCormick and Colt mags were made by Metalform. Perhaps that has changed or I was misinformed, can anyone fill me in?


I can't speak to Kimber mags, but current production Colt mags are made by Checkmate as noted by the C on the upper right corner of the baseplate. Colt mags were made by Metalform at one time and were marked with an M.



Nakanokalronin  [Member]
11/26/2011 1:04:15 PM
The Checkmate mags that came with my Valor run perfectly in any 1911 I own. That being said, I've tried about 7-8 different branded 1911 mags in my DW Valor with zero problems.
1911smith  [Team Member]
11/26/2011 3:08:44 PM
Tripp Cobra, Wilson ETM and 47d are the only magazines in the house and for good reason. Let's deal with some myth.

Not all 1911 magazines are controlled feed. FALSE. Controlled feed is inherit of 1911. Cartridge case rim is controlled before full release of magazine feed lips to chamber and not released until extraction. That's controlled feed

GI spec magazines are the best.

Not so. There will always be the misunderstanding that all .45acp will feed best in GI magazines. "Purest" like to relay legend while admitting ammunition has changed.
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A few facts.

1911 controlled feed is control of case rim during through feed and extraction cycle. Magazine feed lips hold cartridge nose down until barrel hood takes control of nose to chamber.

Hybrid magazines such as Checkmate partially deal with today's cartridges but I've found shorter length self defense cartridges don't feed well through feed lips that hold the nose down too long.

47d was the first magazine to deal with shorter length cartridges. 45acp is a low pressure cartridge. It's a big case and a lot of smokeless powders don't fill case. Getting higher velocities require on of two things. Fill case with less dense powder or seat bullet deeper. We could explore theory more or simply refer to the old Speer "flying ash trays".

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Differences in magazines.

Magazines that hold a short oal cartridge down too long like a GI or Checkmate style hybrid will stick cartridge nose in feed ramp.

Wilson ETM holds cartridge nose down a little longer than it's predecessor giving a little more nose control.

Cobra Tripp magazines ride higher above mag catch than other magazines do. Second to height behind Cobra is Wilson ETM. The benefit of riding higher is less dependence on feed ramp, giving cartridge a straighter shot to chamber. Tripp feed lips hold cartridge nose down almost as long as GI hybrids. It's a true 1911 controlled feed magazine.

There's nothing mythical or magical about magazines. Good magazines hold shape, have followers that hold cartridge nose up, don't collapse over time as some other brands mentioned here have failed with my hard use.

Magazine springs cause most magazine failures so you want to keep a few spares for back up.

I've tested all makes of magazines. For Government and Commander models I like Tripp and ETMs. My Officers length will feed from any magazine with an occasional misfeed. After switching Officers to Wilson 47d misfeeds went away.

If you're determined to use GI hybrids with self defense ammunition and having feed issues then you might look into deepening feed ramp with feed angle adjusted for depth. I've experimented with every style of feed configuration imaginable.

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This is what I feel works best.

Leave feed ramp alone.

Run a quality spring steel extractor. Cylinder & Slide makes one.

Choose a magazine which best matches 1911 feed ramp and throat angle.

I've gone well past OPs question and anticipated problems to come from poor magazine choices. Heading questions you're likely to ask in coming months while dealing with those choices.



Note. Have had great results using EGW's newest heavy duty extractor.
6731HBAR  [Team Member]
11/27/2011 9:17:38 AM
Originally Posted By SkagSig40:
My Dan Wesson Valor came with 2 Checkmate 8 round mags. They work 100% in the gun and it has never had a failure. I want to buy some extra mags and I'm wondering if I should stick with the Checkmate ones or if there is something even better for my Valor. Thanks for any input!


Your statement is confusing, what is better than 100% in your gun.

If it is running 100% for you exactly how do you improve on that?

If it isn't running 100% with those mags that is a different matter. I am certin you can spend more, but 100% is 100 %.

F_Double_O  [Member]
11/28/2011 1:01:32 AM
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
Sorry if I'm behind the times but I was under the impression than Kimber mags were made by Chip McCormick and Colt mags were made by Metalform. Perhaps that has changed or I was misinformed, can anyone fill me in?


no the follower of the kimber resembles cmc mags but are not made by them. they are checkmates. tho i believe the older kimber mags were mec gears. and colt also at one point also used metalform.
Winn  [Team Member]
11/30/2011 2:12:22 PM
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By SkagSig40:

My Dan Wessoy. They work 100% in the gun and it has never had a failure. I want to buy some extra mags and I'm wondering if I should stick with the

Checkmate ones or if there is something even better for my Valor. Thanks for any input!


There's your answer; can't do much better than 100% reliability.

In my gun, Chip McCormick Power Mags, which are recommended by Hilton Yam, and have run 3000 rounds through my gun without a stoppage or failure of any kind, are the answer.

Everyone has the their favorite "best" magazine; they post it here and someone else talks it down.

Let your own 1911 tell you which magazine it likes.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1709/img1459gi.jpg


I currently have about a dozen Metalform mags and they've been great.

But based on Hilton's recommendation, the next time I buy 1911 mags I'll probably go with the CMC Power mags and see how I like them.

I'd also like to try the Checkmate hybrids as well.

NickySantoro  [Member]
11/30/2011 5:42:07 PM
FWIW, I've never had a problem with any ammo with Mec-Gar 7 round mags. Same with Wilson 47s.
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