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VarmitSniper  [Team Member]
10/2/2010 8:26:48 AM
Is there someone that knows this rifle and can tell me a little about it?

I picked this up from a guy and he did not know what it was either.

The brass plate on the stock has: Torped Overslag and a bunch of numbers on it.

The receiver has 19 C 43 on it and there is a crown over the C




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Jagermeister  [Team Member]
10/2/2010 8:31:53 AM
Swedish Ljungman AG-42 in caliber 6.5x55 Swede
VarmitSniper  [Team Member]
10/2/2010 8:33:41 AM
Thanks for the response. Are these decent rifles?

Jagermeister  [Team Member]
10/2/2010 8:36:27 AM
I had the Egyptian Hakim in 8mm, which is pretty much a copy and I loved it. These AG/42 are more accurate. Google the rifle for more info on it and check out gunbroker.com for recent prices
VarmitSniper  [Team Member]
10/2/2010 8:40:43 AM
Originally Posted By Jagermeister:
I had the Egyptian Hakim in 8mm, which is pretty much a copy and I loved it. These AG/42 are more accurate. Google the rifle for more info on it and check out gunbroker.com for recent prices


Thanks for your help...

nightdh  [Team Member]
10/2/2010 9:11:46 AM
How much did you pay for it?
tep0583  [Member]
10/2/2010 3:39:21 PM
Nice score on a great rifle. I have an Hakim and I really love that rile. I'd love to get my grimy little hands on the Swedish counterpart.

I NEVER run into anyone selling one of those who doesn't know what it is.

Do I want to know what you paid for it?
glazer1972  [Life Member]
10/2/2010 6:11:37 PM
Nice.
neilage66  [Member]
10/2/2010 6:20:28 PM
Looks great!
Mind your fingers when you close the action.
LUGERMAN  [Team Member]
10/2/2010 6:48:57 PM
Outstanding condition. It's a great rifle!!
VarmitSniper  [Team Member]
10/3/2010 8:15:02 AM
Originally Posted By tep0583:
Nice score on a great rifle. I have an Hakim and I really love that rile. I'd love to get my grimy little hands on the Swedish counterpart.

I NEVER run into anyone selling one of those who doesn't know what it is.

Do I want to know what you paid for it?


No you do not want to know what I paid.

I really feel like I took advantage of the guy now.
Dutch51  [Member]
10/3/2010 5:55:21 PM
Automatgevär m/42b = Automatic rifle m/42b = Ag42b

The crown over C is for Carl Gustafs stads Gevärsfaktori in Eskilstuna, Sweden (Carl Gustafs city rifle factory). It's the Swedish state arsenal. These rifles were made in 1943 - 30,000 of them.

caliber 6.5x55

http://gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/ag42/ag42eng.htm

http://gotavapen.se/gota/fieldstripp/stripp_ag42.htm

Be careful of the ammo you shoot in the Ljungman (Youngman). It has no gas valve so the ammo has to be tailored to the rifle. In the Swedish army they were trained (and ordered) to oil the cartridges of the m/41 sniper ammo as the powder burn rate was too slow causing the port pressure to be too high, resulting in, in the extreme case, the rim to be ripped open while chamber pressure was high. This can destroy the rifle by blowing the magazine out (to pieces) and breaking the stock by the front guard screw. It will also most likely bulge the receiver irreparably.






55_grain  [Member]
10/3/2010 8:08:30 PM
Make sure the safety is on (flipped to the right as viewed by the user). If the mag is loaded, or not present, and you push-pull on the dustcover, that bolt will fly forward with considerable force and drive your thumb into the gas tube.

Nice looking rifle, by the way..

55_grain
tep0583  [Member]
10/5/2010 10:28:18 AM
Originally Posted By VarmitSniper:
Originally Posted By tep0583:
Nice score on a great rifle. I have an Hakim and I really love that rile. I'd love to get my grimy little hands on the Swedish counterpart.

I NEVER run into anyone selling one of those who doesn't know what it is.

Do I want to know what you paid for it?


No you do not want to know what I paid.

I really feel like I took advantage of the guy now.



Yeah, that's what I figured. Good job picking it up.

Don't sweat getting a good deal. The seller obviously knew what he'd sell it for and got it. As far as he's concerned, it was a good transaction. If the buyer and seller are happy, I figure everything worked out.

As has been posted above, watch the bolt. Legend has it that Grand Thumb is nothing compared to what this beast will do to you. Considering how violently the bolt on my Hakim goes forward, I believe it.

CBR900  [Member]
10/5/2010 11:53:06 AM
I have used the M41 ammo in mine - thanks for the tip on oiling the cartridges! Mine is labled something like "Prklstyk" and it has the standard militarty FMJ bullet with mild steel jacket.

I believe you on the pressure being too high for this gun without oiling; it flings the berdan brass MUCH further than any of my AKs. The sights were correctly calibrated for the ammo. It hit point of aim at 400 meters.

I want to reload for mine. Any tips on which powder/charge to use? I presume that one of the FASTER burning powders listed in the 6.5x55 data would be the safest for this fine old gun?


Originally Posted By Dutch51:
Automatgevär m/42b = Automatic rifle m/42b = Ag42b

The crown over C is for Carl Gustafs stads Gevärsfaktori in Eskilstuna, Sweden (Carl Gustafs city rifle factory). It's the Swedish state arsenal. These rifles were made in 1943 - 30,000 of them.

caliber 6.5x55

http://gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/ag42/ag42eng.htm

http://gotavapen.se/gota/fieldstripp/stripp_ag42.htm

Be careful of the ammo you shoot in the Ljungman (Youngman). It has no gas valve so the ammo has to be tailored to the rifle. In the Swedish army they were trained (and ordered) to oil the cartridges of the m/41 sniper ammo as the powder burn rate was too slow causing the port pressure to be too high, resulting in, in the extreme case, the rim to be ripped open while chamber pressure was high. This can destroy the rifle by blowing the magazine out (to pieces) and breaking the stock by the front guard screw. It will also most likely bulge the receiver irreparably.

http://images9.fotki.com/v1604/photos/2/28344/1676633/ag2-vi.jpg

http://images57.fotki.com/v66/photos/2/28344/1676633/scan0011-vi.jpg

http://images16.fotki.com/v316/photos/2/28344/1676633/5427-vi.jpg


Dutch51  [Member]
10/6/2010 6:27:56 PM
prickskytte = sniping

prick skytte = marksman

Skarp patron m/94
m/41 prickskytte

Skarp patron m/94 (live cartridge m/1894)
sparljusprojektil m/41 <–––––––––– tracer

http://dutchman.rebooty.com/ammo.html

If you ever shoot a one hole 5 shot group with m/41 ammo (with an m/96) you won't call it a "standard military bullet". You'll call it amazing. The m/41 projectile is a match grade bullet. It's not a "standard military bullet" in the general meaning of the word, "standard". I guess you could say it became the standard bullet for military 6.5x55 ammunition.

I didn't handload for the one I had.

Faster powder yes.

Some guys have fabricated a basic adjustable gas block. I'll be working on one later this year for those who don't want to do it themselves. I may have a replacement gas block that allows adjustment.

Dutch
ThePitbullofLove  [Team Member]
10/7/2010 8:07:13 PM

Originally Posted By Dutch51:
prickskytte = sniping

prick skytte = marksman

Skarp patron m/94
m/41 prickskytte

Skarp patron m/94 (live cartridge m/1894)
sparljusprojektil m/41 <–––––––––– tracer

http://dutchman.rebooty.com/ammo.html

If you ever shoot a one hole 5 shot group with m/41 ammo (with an m/96) you won't call it a "standard military bullet". You'll call it amazing. The m/41 projectile is a match grade bullet. It's not a "standard military bullet" in the general meaning of the word, "standard". I guess you could say it became the standard bullet for military 6.5x55 ammunition.

I didn't handload for the one I had.

Faster powder yes.

Some guys have fabricated a basic adjustable gas block. I'll be working on one later this year for those who don't want to do it themselves. I may have a replacement gas block that allows adjustment.

Dutch

What Dutch said. It's fantastic ammo.

Here's the "Ljungman" family-

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