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DWO  [Member]
9/23/2008 8:37:06 PM
What is actually legal in NYS. I am getting different info form people and local gun shops.
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ZEROTHOMAS  [Member]
9/23/2008 8:51:20 PM
Compensators are legal, Flash Hiders are not unless its the ONLY Evil feature on a Semi auto rifle with a detachable Mag
DWO  [Member]
9/23/2008 8:55:23 PM
Is there a way to tell the difference between a flash hider and a compensator?
UnBro2008  [Team Member]
9/23/2008 9:05:02 PM

Originally Posted By DWO:
Is there a way to tell the difference between a flash hider and a compensator?


go to the range - if its a muzzle break everyone around the gun will be deafened, including yourself unless u wear double ear protection! (ear plugs + earmuffs).

i wish they wouldn't put them on AR-15s, theres no point, sure it looks tacticool but i'd prefer not to have hearing damage! They reduce recoil, but .223 remington doesn't need it! if it's an AR-10 or big hunting rifle or 50BMG etc then fair enough it has a use!

i say this because i came very close to putting a muzzle brake on my AR-15, thank god i didn't, as I later heard what one sounded like at the range.
ZEROTHOMAS  [Member]
9/23/2008 9:14:27 PM
Well if you know your brands and models you can tell just from looking at them. If you are new to it then you are better off asking the vendor selling the rifle or part. They usually tell you online if you were to purchase one, for its very important and 2 different parts. But lets compare these 2 here:

DNTC Compensator:



DNTC FSC556:



See the holes in the middle on the first one? Thats typically what most look like but with different designs of course depending on the brand. The second pic is the SAME one as the top except its ALSO a Flash Hider because of how the top is cut out to eliminate the flash.

Thats just an example though. There are ALOT of FH that DONT look like that though and look like regular comps. Really it just comes down to doing your homework. There are irregular ones out there like this:



But the most common Flash Hider is probably this one and im sure you have seen it plenty of times:



I dont really know the engineering part of the designs and shit and im sure someone can tell you better than i can so ill leave it at that.
DWO  [Member]
9/23/2008 9:16:32 PM
I have the miculek muzzle break on my ar now. I would like to put somthing different on it. The one that I want to put on, I was told is a compensator. However I have not seen any like except at the Rochester gun show. The dealer told me that he was told that it is a compensator. Is there any to tell if it is. It is like an A2 FS, but it does not have the slits on the top, only 2 on each of the sides.
ZEROTHOMAS  [Member]
9/23/2008 9:16:36 PM

Originally Posted By UnBro2008:

Originally Posted By DWO:
Is there a way to tell the difference between a flash hider and a compensator?


go to the range - if its a muzzle break everyone around the gun will be deafened, including yourself unless u wear double ear protection! (ear plugs + earmuffs).

i wish they wouldn't put them on AR-15s, theres no point, sure it looks tacticool but i'd prefer not to have hearing damage! They reduce recoil, but .223 remington doesn't need it! if it's an AR-10 or big hunting rifle or 50BMG etc then fair enough it has a use!

i say this because i came very close to putting a muzzle brake on my AR-15, thank god i didn't, as I later heard what one sounded like at the range.


Thats why the DNTC Comp was designed, in my above post. It does its job as a comp but it eliminated thats TERRIBLE Back blast. My friend has a Mini Y comp on his..................FUCK THAT, it blows hurricane winds out the side at the same time it punches me in the face.
ZEROTHOMAS  [Member]
9/23/2008 9:21:20 PM

Originally Posted By DWO:
I have the miculek muzzle break on my ar now. I would like to put somthing different on it. The one that I want to put on, I was told is a compensator. However I have not seen any like except at the Rochester gun show. The dealer told me that he was told that it is a compensator. Is there any to tell if it is. It is like an A2 FS, but it does not have the slits on the top, only 2 on each of the sides.


Well there is only one problem with wanting to change your muzzle break and its the fact that you are from NY and you probably bought a post ban rifle. That basically means your comp is most likley pinned on and you are not going to get it off unless you dremel that thing off. You would have to buy a new pre ban barrel assembly with a threaded muzzle, get the comp you really want, and then have it sent to a smith to have it pinned or welded on. And again once that is done, you cant get it off.

That of course is if you actually bought a post ban which im pretty sure it is since ive only seen that miculek breaks on rifles such as post ban Stags. I have it on one of mine
DWO  [Member]
9/23/2008 9:26:14 PM
I have a post ban stag 2t. I know a gun smith that said he will change it out for me aslong as it NYS legal for $75.00. I just want to make sure that i am satying with in the NYS law. Thank you for all the help.
Castillo  [Team Member]
9/23/2008 9:36:31 PM

Originally Posted By UnBro2008:

Originally Posted By DWO:
Is there a way to tell the difference between a flash hider and a compensator?


go to the range - if its a muzzle break everyone around the gun will be deafened, including yourself unless u wear double ear protection! (ear plugs + earmuffs).

i wish they wouldn't put them on AR-15s, theres no point, sure it looks tacticool but i'd prefer not to have hearing damage! They reduce recoil, but .223 remington doesn't need it! if it's an AR-10 or big hunting rifle or 50BMG etc then fair enough it has a use!

i say this because i came very close to putting a muzzle brake on my AR-15, thank god i didn't, as I later heard what one sounded like at the range.


You'll have hearing damage no matter if you have a muzzle brake or a flash hider is you shoot an AR without ear pro.

There are multiple choices for muzzle brakes which aren't that bad on the ears. It is going to be a bit louder than a flash hider for sure, but it might be worth it in your case or it might not.

Petey1  [Member]
9/23/2008 9:56:25 PM

Originally Posted By DWO:
What is actually legal in NYS. I am getting different info form people and local gun shops.


I'd go with the FSC556 from Primary Weapons. I have one. In all honesty, it's very similar to what an A2 sounds like. Nothing like an Izzy brake or the "military" brake RRA offers. It has been classified as a non-flash suppressing device by the BATF.
darkvibe  [Member]
9/23/2008 10:22:04 PM

Originally Posted By ZEROTHOMAS:
But the most common Flash Hider is probably this one and im sure you have seen it plenty of times:

www.21stcenturyairsoft.com/prodimages/aegpartsaccessories/flashhiders/guarder/ar02.jpg


I believe that one is a muzzle brake. See how the slits do not continue all the way around, only on the top and sides? I think (I should say I was told) that is considered a break. Makes sense since don't normal birdcage flash hiders have slits all the way around?

Can anyone else confirm that?
ZEROTHOMAS  [Member]
9/23/2008 10:45:33 PM

Originally Posted By darkvibe:

Originally Posted By ZEROTHOMAS:
But the most common Flash Hider is probably this one and im sure you have seen it plenty of times:

www.21stcenturyairsoft.com/prodimages/aegpartsaccessories/flashhiders/guarder/ar02.jpg


I believe that one is a muzzle brake. See how the slits do not continue all the way around, only on the top and sides? I think (I should say I was told) that is considered a break. Makes sense since don't normal birdcage flash hiders have slits all the way around?

Can anyone else confirm that?


As far as i know its a FH because of the standard 5 slot design that doesnt have the bottom slot so it won't create a dust signature when firing from the prone position
DWO  [Member]
9/23/2008 11:33:15 PM
The one that I want to put on has only 4 slits, 2 on each side. There are none on the top or the bottem. I will have pics tomorow.
cas  [Member]
9/23/2008 11:59:53 PM
If there are no baffles, no expansion chambers, no forward gas restriction of any kind on it... it's going to be a flash hider.
evileyeswatchin  [Member]
9/24/2008 12:10:33 AM
DPMS brake, closest thing to an A2 FH. Get it HERE

cas  [Member]
9/24/2008 7:56:01 AM
To nit pick a little, what's the OD of the DPMS? EGW made them for a while and I guess they realized that they still qualified as a grenade launcher because they had the same OD as the A2. They designed a second one with a slightly larger outside diameter.

(this info of course is just information for the really want to be sure, or like to worry. )
DWO  [Member]
9/24/2008 10:45:35 AM




This is what I want to put on my AR, you can see there are no slits on the top or the bottem. Only on the sides. Does anyone know if it is legal in NYS?
Castillo  [Team Member]
9/24/2008 11:06:08 AM
Looks like it would be. But anything you are told here is only going to be opinion. There is no NYS gov't organization that qualifies things as muzzle brakes. Only thing you can go off is BATFE classification and common sense.
Castillo  [Team Member]
9/24/2008 11:08:17 AM

Originally Posted By cas:
To nit pick a little, what's the OD of the DPMS? EGW made them for a while and I guess they realized that they still qualified as a grenade launcher because they had the same OD as the A2. They designed a second one with a slightly larger outside diameter.

(this info of course is just information for the really want to be sure, or like to worry. )


My understanding as well. The DPMS comp is 22mm in diameter, allowing it to launch NATO spec rifle grenades (tons of those lying around ) Rather ridiculous if you ask me, sucks because it is an inexpensive A2 look-a-like.
DWO  [Member]
9/24/2008 12:12:42 PM
Thank you all for your input. You have been a big help, and this has been a good learning experience.
cas  [Member]
9/24/2008 5:47:54 PM
That is fine, it's not a flash hider (well.. for out purposes here) because of the reduced front opening.

You may be better off with no opening on the top. I have.... er... either a Wilson or EGW like the DPMS one. It's open at the top and works TOO well. When you shoot the muzzle is actually driven downward.
Castillo  [Team Member]
9/24/2008 6:02:10 PM

Originally Posted By cas:
That is fine, it's not a flash hider (well.. for out purposes here) because of the reduced front opening.

You may be better off with no opening on the top. I have.... er... either a Wilson or EGW like the DPMS one. It's open at the top and works TOO well. When you shoot the muzzle is actually driven downward.


I believe it would work fine on a 20'' barrel, but on 16'' and below it would drive down the muzzle. This is described by Colorado shooters website:

coloradoshooting.org/egw.htm
cas  [Member]
9/24/2008 7:27:30 PM
Mine's on a 20. It's strange and just my luck, I shot it off and on for a couple years and never noticed it. Of course it was only AFTER I had it pinned to use on a post ban lower that I noticed how much it drove the muzzle down. I had intended to use the rifle for action rifle matches, but that will never work. Double taps that started center A zone, ended up as low D's.
sweetsourp0rk  [Team Member]
9/24/2008 8:34:15 PM
i got the rra military style break. It doesnt hit me, the shooter, with any blowback and standing next to someone shooting the noise/blast is tollerable.



the one that says military style brake.
chapperjoe  [Team Member]
9/24/2008 8:48:30 PM
the RRA looks ok, I've had it on a few. don't know how effective it is though....

Castillo  [Team Member]
9/24/2008 8:51:54 PM
I have the RRA tactical, and it isn't bad at all and very effective. I ran it through a few lines during a qualifier on a 16'' middy and then switched to a standard A2 on a HBAR 16'' carbine and I could really tell the difference in follow up shots and keeping on target. I was way faster than anyone else. (Though I usually am anyways, being an ARCOMer and all )
DWO  [Member]
9/24/2008 10:03:08 PM
I was looking at the rra muzzle breaks, and I think Iam going to go with one of them. Thanks again for all your help.
Hiaboo  [Team Member]
9/24/2008 11:02:34 PM
DNTC is awesome, is all.
ZEROTHOMAS  [Member]
9/25/2008 12:24:29 AM

Originally Posted By Hiaboo:
DNTC is awesome, is all.


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